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AllSooner wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 5:47 pm The picture included in the OP is misleading, isn't it? It appears to be a single base and my belief is that a double first base is two bases of official size located at first base with one in the playing field and one in the foul area. This would make the batter run to the foul side of the baseline when running to first. I will assume that my belief is correct, is the runner aloud to touch the in-field base? On the other hand, can the defensive player use the base not in the field of play to their advantage?

OUBeliever56A wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 12:05 pm I would actually like to see the double or safety base added to D1 softball rules of play. It eliminates potential for serious injury, even if it is a small amount of safety added. It also will help to move the runner towards the running lane as they approach 1B.

I really do not see any downside in doing so. They only time that the safety bag adds a downside is on 'dropped' third strikes that go to the backstop with the throw being on the outside of the bag. But on those plays the potential is already an issue so it adds nothing. I am not sure of the rules on that play. I do not know if the 1st baseman can use the orange bag or not to receive the throw. If the 1B can, then the play is the same with nothing added.

Foe now, using the double base when both teams agree, is a step forward. I can not see many teams saying no to using the double-base.

BixSooner wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 8:52 pm

OUBeliever56A wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 12:05 pm I would actually like to see the double or safety base added to D1 softball rules of play. It eliminates potential for serious injury, even if it is a small amount of safety added. It also will help to move the runner towards the running lane as they approach 1B.

I really do not see any downside in doing so. They only time that the safety bag adds a downside is on 'dropped' third strikes that go to the backstop with the throw being on the outside of the bag. But on those plays the potential is already an issue so it adds nothing. I am not sure of the rules on that play. I do not know if the 1st baseman can use the orange bag or not to receive the throw. If the 1B can, then the play is the same with nothing added.

Foe now, using the double base when both teams agree, is a step forward. I can not see many teams saying no to using the double-base.

In the event of a drop third strike, and the ball goes towards the first base dugout, the first baseman is supposed to stand on the “outside” base (rather than the “normal” base, for the force out. The runner is required to run through the “normal” base if they see the first baseman on the outside base.

BixSooner wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 8:52 pm

OUBeliever56A wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 12:05 pm I would actually like to see the double or safety base added to D1 softball rules of play. It eliminates potential for serious injury, even if it is a small amount of safety added. It also will help to move the runner towards the running lane as they approach 1B.

I really do not see any downside in doing so. They only time that the safety bag adds a downside is on 'dropped' third strikes that go to the backstop with the throw being on the outside of the bag. But on those plays the potential is already an issue so it adds nothing. I am not sure of the rules on that play. I do not know if the 1st baseman can use the orange bag or not to receive the throw. If the 1B can, then the play is the same with nothing added.

Foe now, using the double base when both teams agree, is a step forward. I can not see many teams saying no to using the double-base.

In the event of a drop third strike, and the ball goes towards the first base dugout, the first baseman is supposed to stand on the “outside” base (rather than the “normal” base, for the force out. The runner is required to run through the “normal” base if they see the first baseman on the outside base.

AllSooner wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 9:05 pm

BixSooner wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 8:52 pm

OUBeliever56A wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 12:05 pm I would actually like to see the double or safety base added to D1 softball rules of play. It eliminates potential for serious injury, even if it is a small amount of safety added. It also will help to move the runner towards the running lane as they approach 1B.

I really do not see any downside in doing so. They only time that the safety bag adds a downside is on 'dropped' third strikes that go to the backstop with the throw being on the outside of the bag. But on those plays the potential is already an issue so it adds nothing. I am not sure of the rules on that play. I do not know if the 1st baseman can use the orange bag or not to receive the throw. If the 1B can, then the play is the same with nothing added.

Foe now, using the double base when both teams agree, is a step forward. I can not see many teams saying no to using the double-base.

In the event of a drop third strike, and the ball goes towards the first base dugout, the first baseman is supposed to stand on the “outside” base (rather than the “normal” base, for the force out. The runner is required to run through the “normal” base if they see the first baseman on the outside base.

That will definitely give the advantage to the defense. The battery has a full unobstructed throwing lane and the onus is on the batter to make the "right" move at the base. They should really make the defense play on the infield side and runner stays on the foul side. That would give the batter at least a small "chance" of a bad throw. And it would keep everybody playing the same way, no matter the play.

AllSooner wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 5:47 pm The picture included in the OP is misleading, isn't it? It appears to be a single base and my belief is that a double first base is two bases of official size located at first base with one in the playing field and one in the foul area. This would make the batter run to the foul side of the baseline when running to first. I will assume that my belief is correct, is the runner aloud to touch the in-field base? On the other hand, can the defensive player use the base not in the field of play to their advantage?

Bixby_Sooner wrote: ↑Sun Aug 14, 2022 9:25 am

AllSooner wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 5:47 pm The picture included in the OP is misleading, isn't it? It appears to be a single base and my belief is that a double first base is two bases of official size located at first base with one in the playing field and one in the foul area. This would make the batter run to the foul side of the baseline when running to first. I will assume that my belief is correct, is the runner aloud to touch the in-field base? On the other hand, can the defensive player use the base not in the field of play to their advantage?

You are exactly right. The double base would be white (on the in play side of the line) and orange for the runner (foul side of the line). As far as the runner running in foul territory up the line, that may likely but not necessarily happen 100% of the time. The runner is not allowed to touch the (in play) white base if a double base is used and would be out, nor is the runner out if the fielder's foot is on the runner's (foul territory) orange base to complete the force out.

Bixby_Sooner wrote: ↑Sun Aug 14, 2022 9:25 am

AllSooner wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 5:47 pm The picture included in the OP is misleading, isn't it? It appears to be a single base and my belief is that a double first base is two bases of official size located at first base with one in the playing field and one in the foul area. This would make the batter run to the foul side of the baseline when running to first. I will assume that my belief is correct, is the runner aloud to touch the in-field base? On the other hand, can the defensive player use the base not in the field of play to their advantage?

You are exactly right. The double base would be white (on the in play side of the line) and orange for the runner (foul side of the line). As far as the runner running in foul territory up the line, that may likely but not necessarily happen 100% of the time. The runner is not allowed to touch the (in play) white base if a double base is used and would be out, nor is the runner out if the fielder's foot is on the runner's (foul territory) orange base to complete the force out.